A Weighted Issue – The Fire Service Helping Private EMS

There has been quite a bit of buzz lately over a story that happened pretty close to my generic neck of the woods. It’s been featured on www.JEMS.com as well as www.EMS1.com and has blown up the twitter streams. I was made aware of it by the JEMS Facebook fan page posting the link two days ago.

Before I link to the article, I’d like to say that I was immediately on the side of the private ambulance company and I jumped right on the JEMS facebook comments thread to state my case. I figured that there would be some dissention, but that most people would share my view.

But that’s not exactly what happened…

Apparently there is a vast chasm in opinions out there on this issue, and it’s not just the Firefighters vs. the non-firefighters like I thought it would be. The comments section is up to 61 comments as I write this and the discussion is poignant and well reasoned. I still believe in what I said… but I’m willing to revisit the issue

Here’s the article: http://www.jems.com/article/news/illinois-fire-department-refus

So… do you see the discord there?

The private ambulance service, which is a pretty new company that runs only one or two ambulances was started by a paramedic with a dream (yea, really). It took the patient from a rehab hospital to a private residence in Springfield, IL. I don’t know the exact road mileage, but I do know that Springfield, IL is a good 4 to 5 hours away from where the rehabilitation hospital is located. The patient was reported to have been on Medicare and Medicaid and weighed approximately 700lbs.

Yep, this ambulance crew had to take a 700 pound patient on a long distance transfer. I feel their pain.

The crew couldn’t get the patient from their ambulance into the residence when they got there and called the Springfield FD (SFD) for assistance moving the patient. SFD refused to assist them.

Ultimately, the private ambulance crew arranged for another private ambulance from a Springfield area company to come and help them. The job got done and everyone was happy, right?

Well, no… of course that’s not what happened. Someone alerted the media and the story popped up on the wire. Now there’s debate flying all over the interwebs and I for one want to keep it going. Viva debate. Viva discussion.

Here’s my comment from the JEMS Facebook Page:alled “community service” which I guess is something they don’t understand in Springfield.

There is nothing wrong with private ambulances and even the staunchest fire service EMS person would agree that no fire department would accept a long distance transfer (in this case, probably a good 5hrs) discharging a Pt from a rehab hospital to home. Some service has to exist to do this type of work, and Mercy Ambulance stepped up to do it. The patient was a TAXPAYING CITIZEN of Springfield FD’s area and Mercy was returning that taxpaying citizen to his or her home. This person has already paid for Springfield FD’s services and they refused to provide them.

I would guess that SFD regularly responds to other so-called “Nusaince calls” all the time, or have they stopped responding to Activated Fire Alarms, dumpster fires, and CO alarms as well?

Mercy Ambulance wasn’t doing this for the money. The reimbursement from Medicare is laughable and the “reimbursement” from IL medicaid is pretty much non-existant. They did this because the patient needed to get home. The reimbursement system is such that they would have had to eat the cost of additional crew and making the assumption that the SFD would respond for the “Public Assist” of one of it’s tax-paying constituents is reasonable.

SFD gets a letter in the file for this one.

I’m actually familiar with the ambulance service in question. In the area that it mainly operates within, the Fire service is always happy to help out the private ambulances with these types of cases. It has to do with providing something called “community service” which I guess is something they don’t understand in Springfield.

There is nothing wrong with private ambulances and even the staunchest fire service EMS person would agree that no fire department would accept a long distance transfer (in this case, probably a good 5hrs) discharging a Pt from a rehab hospital to home. Some service has to exist to do this type of work, and Mercy Ambulance stepped up to do it. The patient was a TAXPAYING CITIZEN of Springfield FD’s area and Mercy was returning that taxpaying citizen to his or her home. This person has already paid for Springfield FD’s services and they refused to provide them.

I would guess that SFD regularly responds to other so-called “Nusaince calls” all the time, or have they stopped responding to Activated Fire Alarms, dumpster fires, and CO alarms as well?

Mercy Ambulance wasn’t doing this for the money. The reimbursement from Medicare is laughable and the “reimbursement” from IL medicaid is pretty much non-existant. They did this because the patient needed to get home. The reimbursement system is such that they would have had to eat the cost of additional crew and making the assumption that the SFD would respond for the “Public Assist” of one of its tax-paying constituents is reasonable.

SFD gets a letter in the file for this one

That has been “liked” six times since I wrote it.

The rub here for the Defenders of the Fire Service™ is that they say that the “Medical Transportation Industry” is an “Industry” and therefore should have their own plans in place to deal with this type of case. They say that they shouldn’t diminish their ability to respond to emergency requests in order to help out a private business with a client. They say that they would expose themselves to liability, expose themselves to potential injuries of their employees, and that they would be providing this service for free. They say that this isn’t their job and that they shouldn’t be spending taxpayer dollars to help out a private entity.

And… I might concede that to them if I thought it was genuine. I mean, does the fire service help out the towing and recovery industry with cleaning up car wrecks? Do they help out the private fire alarm business by responding to and resetting false alarms? Do they provide private residences with smoke and carbon monoxide alarms?

Yes, of course they do all that. They do other things too. They help out all kinds of community entities, both public and private, for-profit and not-for-profit all the time. The Defenders of the Fire Service™ keep trumpeting their statement that they are an “All-Hazards” emergency response agency that is constantly adapting to meet “the needs that the public are demanding from them”.

All of those community entities the fire service assists have one thing in common, they pay taxes. Some of them pay property taxes, some of them pay rent that goes in-part to pay property taxes, and some of the straight not-for-profits provide services that help the people paying property taxes.

And last time I checked, the SFD does receive property taxes.

Here’s one thing with what I said though… The “All-Hazards response” idea is for responding to “hazards” and I can see where a private ambulance needing a hand isn’t exactly a hazard or an emergent need.

Would any of the Fire Departments I’ve worked on have done it? Yes, absolutely. A citizen needed an assist and we would have marked it as a “Public Assist”. We would have responded non-emergent, helped, and it would have been a non-issue. The person pays tax dollars and we would have looked at it as the same as responding with an engine for a 911 lift assist.

However, I will concede that the Private ambulance service would have been more proactive if they would have called the SFD and asked them if they would help them before they loaded the patient. If the SFD told them “no” at that time, they could have arranged for alternate methods at that time. Instead, they just assumed. They transported the patient to someone else’s sandbox and just hoped that they would play nicely.

And the SFD doesn’t play the way that Mercy Ambulance is used to playing.

If you can’t tell, I’m on the side of Mercy Ambulance here. Although I say that they should have dropped the dime and rang the SFD to ask them before they just assumed they’d help.

One thing’s for sure though, this issue isn’t going away and it will probably become more common. There’s a ton of differing opinions out there as shown by the comments that news story received and it shows that there are EMS professionals on both sides of the fence that have strong and reasoned opinions. This is an issue that would benefit from some discourse and that’s why I’m bringing it up.

What are your thoughts?

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